Tuesday, September 14, 2010

No Patience.

I'm finding my bitchiness has really come out over at Main Street Plaza as of late. I love the site. I really do. I just find that my patience level is slim to none for some of the recent post threads.

First it was the call for answers to yet another member who asked the predictable bullshit question:

"If you don't like the church, why do you insist on talking about it?"

My answer was an exhausted, annoyed, and pissy "fuck off."

...Okay. I didn't quite say it like that, but it was the general sentiment. I don't know what the protocol is on swearing at MSP, and I tend to flirt with the line as it is.

But seriously, I'm tiiiiiiiiiired of those questions.

"Oh god! he's right! maybe I have a super-sekrit love with the church and a REAL TESTIMONY and i'm just hiding it behind all this hatred."

There is no satisfactory answer for these people, and I'm tired of trying to play the nice girl. I don't need to explain myself. I find they just want to corner me. It's a "gotcha" question, and a really lame one at that.

Then another guy came on later, an older guy--convert of 35 years, he said. The topic was Prop 8 and the letter to BYU's Daily Universe where the author argued members should just admit their only rationale for supporting the prop is because "the prophet hath said." As many of you know, the letter was quickly pulled (it offended the right people), but this MSP commenter had all sorts of vitriolic things to say regarding gay marriage and the homosexual community.

I about lost my shit. I wasn't going to at first, but then I read his comment again and couldn't help myself--but! i did make a very concerted effort to not lose my shit too much. MSP is not my house, y'know?

Arrogant, self-righteous ignorance of that degree pisses me off. And I am done being patient with assholes, so I let him know. I held back as much as possible, but I let him know.

I don't think he ever came back to even read the responses (at least he never responded again to my knowledge), but still.

A quick aside: I used to tell people, in an attempt to be conciliatory, that it was "cool" for them to believe gay marriage is wrong, but to at least be honest about their reasoning for being against it and to stop hiding behind ridiculous, baseless arguments. I refuse to say that anymore. There is no reason to be against gay marriage or to be homophobic in general, religious or otherwise. It would be like if I said "it's cool for you to be racist, just be honest about why you are."

No, no, no. It's JUST. WRONG.

Anyway. I have no patience for jerks/trolls/zealous Mormons anymore. None.

So the latest post at MSP is regarding Matthew 22:23-33 (30-33 here):

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. 33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

The question at MSP is: is the Mormon interpretation of this even logical given the scripture, or another instance of a concerted effort to match one instance of biblical scripture to LDS doctrine? Mainstream Christianity interprets this scripture as "nobody is married in heaven. period."

My first response was that I liked the Mormon interpretation, strained as it might be. I like the idea that my husband and I would be married (or at least together) in the afterlife, should there be one. It doesn't seem fair that we wouldn't be. That said, I don't believe that we need some sort of special wedding in order to make that so.

But as the discussion continued, I began to think: you know, I just don't give a shit anymore.

It all just makes my head hurt.


  1. Yes, I was never mormon but I secretly luuuuurve mormonism because of how much I try to stop the people I love getting hurt by it. And people who advocate against racism, violence against women, homophobia, child abuse, etc., and spend a LOT of time fighting those things, they must secretly LOVE all those things too. Right?

    Some TBM commented on a post (I think it was on MSP) where they said the idea of gay marriage to them seemed like a sick joke. And someone linked to a blog post (on a blog called mormon boy or something) where the guy, I shit you not, was whining about how much attention the LGBTQ suicides are getting, and how people who kill themselves aren't heroes, they're just drama queens. I seriously went off on that guy. I really flipped out.

    But really, why should we spend all this time complaining about mormonism? Maybe to stop all the disgusting hatred and abuse? I don't know, I guess I'm just one of those weirdos who thinks all people deserve love and respect.

  2. I don't answer Mormons' stupid questions anymore. They think they are so clever, but it's no different than them asking, "If Tinkerbell blew some of her magic fairy dust on Glenn Beck, would he grow a brain? Or does he have to ask the Wizard of Oz for a diploma? Should he take Toto too and wear his ruby slippers?"

    Um? You can't reason with these people so it's best not to try. They are seriously mindfucked. Maybe this is one of the side effects to having had their sex lives ruined by Mormonism yet feeling too guilty to masturbate.

    I have no patience for them either. So I cay, YOU GO GIRL!

  3. I don't know, I think all of the questions about how tinkerbell's pixie-dust is supposed to work are kind of funny. Be forewarned -- I just might post again about the finer points of Mormon doctrine on MSP! ;)

  4. CL: haha, yeah.

    And no worries. I mean, I went back and continued to talk about the post, yeah?

    I think I'm coming to a crossroads of sorts regarding approaching the doctrine discussions subjectively vs objectively.

    Subjectively I'm finding I just don't care, and it seems I'm not *totally* ready to be objective without being a bit of a bitch. If that makes sense.

    Trust me, I'll be back :D

  5. Cool. And remember, not caring anymore is the first step towards finding the doctrine amusing, or at least vaguely interesting. ;)