tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post7594273832003683932..comments2023-07-17T03:57:39.014-07:00Comments on The Liberal Agnostic Who Could: Banned Books Week: SpeakLisahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-16037273705340233222010-09-21T06:25:48.941-07:002010-09-21T06:25:48.941-07:00just looked it up. sorry, she was actually a psych...just looked it up. sorry, she was actually a psychiatrist (M.D.'s). Really, read it.annaleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10626462595814508089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-65556777607078176882010-09-21T06:23:01.341-07:002010-09-21T06:23:01.341-07:00A close relative was date raped at BYU. terrible s...A close relative was date raped at BYU. terrible stuff. changed her for good. the guy played on the football team. never talked to her about it, didn't feel right to do so. <br /><br />another good read: "Unprotected" originally published anonymously by a UCLA psychologist because she feared losing her job. she later revealed her name in connection with her book. but it would be extremely interesting to hear your reaction to the book. every mother with daughters should read it!annaleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10626462595814508089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-49403623844972231052010-09-21T04:02:11.984-07:002010-09-21T04:02:11.984-07:00I come from a country that is dogmatic about its r...I come from a country that is dogmatic about its religious beliefs, so I can relate to this. It is shocking to the mind how many people think this way.<br /><br /><a href="http://ficklecattle.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">I am Fickle Cattle.</a>Fickle Cattlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281753566416281237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-34466787681333333992010-09-21T00:34:37.872-07:002010-09-21T00:34:37.872-07:00I read "Speak" when I was a teenager and...I read "Speak" when I was a teenager and I still own and read my copy to this day. I recommend it to many many people -- I'll actually recommend it to anyone and everyone. It is a poignant, wonderful novel. <br /><br />I honestly can't say enough about the book. I refuse to read what that idiot said about the book because I honestly can't deal with my blood boiling at this moment and I know what he would say would cause me to erupt into a screaming rage. <br /><br />I don't know how I ever joined Mormonism at 17, but I know it was because of the influences from my youth that allowed me to escape so easily. Influences like "Speak", and Tamora Pierce's feminist characters, and probably heaps of other books I've read. <br /><br />After leaving Mormonism, "Speak" spoke to me even more than it did to a teenager who was still dealing with being molested when she was six. I re-read the book every single year.That Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437878362917429447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-71948654555521258442010-09-20T18:35:08.006-07:002010-09-20T18:35:08.006-07:00Carla: yesyesyesyes, i agree completely. and the c...Carla: yesyesyesyes, i agree completely. and the church--many churches--are SO guilty of accessory in that way. it makes me *sick*<br /><br />and y'know how a lot of religious folk say that bad things happen for good reasons? that god is trying to teach that person something, or provide an opportunity, etc etc? yeah. bullshit. it struck me as i was driving home from an appointment today that a god who would put a girl (or a boy) through such an EVIL thing "to teach them something" is evil in and of itself.<br /><br />I mean, almighty god can't come up with something less inhumane to teach a person a lesson? can't be a bit more creative? a bit more almighty? and if it's to teach the rapist a lesson, the collateral damage--i mean SHIT. there's no excuse for that.<br /><br />CD: First, yay! Tell me when you've read it, ok? I want to hear your reaction. It's a small book and a fast read. So good.<br /><br />As to yr other point, I hadn't thought of it that way before. Yeah, I've had people come to my last blog and tell me that they will not "desecrate" their bodies because Christ paid for their bodies (it doesn't belong to them), so, yes. I do believe you may be onto something.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-26474931331236064632010-09-20T17:29:33.048-07:002010-09-20T17:29:33.048-07:00You persuaded me. I'm buying the book.
I also...You persuaded me. I'm buying the book.<br /><br />I also have to add that reading this post and the comments gave me yet another post-Mormon epiphany: In Mormonism, God has a claim to our bodies because they are a gift from him. We We keep ourselves "clean" for God. We don't own our bodies, God does. That is why it is better for a woman to die than to lose her virtue.<br /><br />Thus, if a woman is raped, she isn't the victim. God is. How fucked up is that (/rhetorical question alert\). That insane belief makes the violation even more demeaning. Am I making any sense at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-61704022396672172392010-09-20T15:55:07.214-07:002010-09-20T15:55:07.214-07:00@ Lisa - you're quite right!
But seriously, w...@ Lisa - you're quite right!<br /><br />But seriously, why was she so upset over being raped?! Holy crap! That answer made me want to cry.<br /><br />And teaching young men or women that rape is their fault should be a crime: accessory to rape.Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-49877980128752753062010-09-20T11:38:59.857-07:002010-09-20T11:38:59.857-07:00Thanks guys <3
I should add, also, that girls ...Thanks guys <3<br /><br />I should add, also, that girls aren't the only victims of sexual assault--boys are, too. And not to minimize the effects on girls, but I can only imagine what it must do to a boy given our society.<br /><br />So important.<br /><br />Also, just about to add a video of Mrs. Anderson's recital of her <i>Speak</i> poem. Go watch.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-54767130226551891332010-09-20T10:33:44.617-07:002010-09-20T10:33:44.617-07:00Great post, and I'm so glad you're bloggin...Great post, and I'm so glad you're blogging about banned books week. Censorship is a serious threat to our society, and you're right, the guy has no fucking idea what he's talking about.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-58342086961714586642010-09-20T10:31:26.504-07:002010-09-20T10:31:26.504-07:00Speak is completely an important book and one I re...Speak is completely an important book and one I recommend to anyone who asks about it. I will be displaying it and reading from it next week at my library's banned books read-out.<br /><br />Anderson's books are always coming under fire. Speak's inappropriate because it discusses rape and treats teenage girls as real people; Wintergirls is inappropriate because it discusses suicide and eating disorders and mental health and treats teenage girls as real people. Inappropriate in this country almost always translates to "things I don't want to think about" and "people I don't think are real people". Ignorance is never bliss, but so many people love to wallow in it, because if you don't look at something or think about it or hear about it, you can pretend it isn't real.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09634766750596400436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-53718074568517149362010-09-20T10:06:15.905-07:002010-09-20T10:06:15.905-07:00>Especially coming from a church that tells its...>Especially coming from a church that tells its young women that (A) if they are raped it's probably their fault for dressing immodestly or otherwise "asking for it" and (B) they should rather die fighting for their "virtue" than be raped.<br /><br />As a male raised in the Mormon church, I would also add (C) rape isn't really any worse than normal sex. The worst part is losing your "virtue," not the assault. I don't think that was explicitly taught, but rape was never treated as any worse than losing virginity any other way.<br /><br />Now that I think of it, there were a lot of "don't be in a situation where you might 'lose control'" kinds of lessons.<br /><br />I believe that Mormon church screws up both men and women through these lessons, but the women take the brunt of the problems because they don't have church-recognized power.Goldarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002035439360220264noreply@blogger.com