tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post2526762017869509026..comments2023-07-17T03:57:39.014-07:00Comments on The Liberal Agnostic Who Could: Thoughts on the Edits to Packer's TalkLisahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-77382714529806407812010-10-09T14:25:07.131-07:002010-10-09T14:25:07.131-07:00Ahab: You know, I get the idea of asking for tithi...Ahab: You know, I get the idea of asking for tithing as a matter of faith...wait. No I don't.<br /><br />As a matter of asking members to help the poor and needy? Yes, for sure.<br /><br />But to build temples and buildings and whatever? Not when they can afford all this other crap. I know it's a matter of stability and self-sufficiency, but good grief. BILLIONS.<br /><br />It *doesn't* make sense. I hadn't even considered the Catholic church and their similar practices.<br /><br />Diana: It drives me nuts how many people are happy about this, rationalizing it. Especially the weirdos who are all "It <i>clarifies</i> what he obviously meant." <br /><br />oh! so glad y'all can read his mind.<br /><br />?!?<br /><br />I think it could be both of your guesses. Either or, the editing is still quiet and covert and assumes its members are dumb. Which, apparently, some of them are. But I don't blame them. "Dumb" is the wrong word here. Sufficiently trained to always believe only the best about their leaders? yes.<br /><br />Reading it again, I think I'm with you though. The church has become one gigantic PR department. They say they don't and won't change, but they said the same thing before that "revelation" on blacks and the priesthood. <br /><br />Stubborn assholes.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-18378462636264454632010-10-09T06:16:18.493-07:002010-10-09T06:16:18.493-07:00I was reading the thread at fmh about this topic a...I was reading the thread at fmh about this topic and was honestly surprised to see so many people happy about these changes.<br /><br />I mean, you could take it to mean that the church doesn't agree with Packer's statements and wants them removed from the record. On the other hand, you could take it to mean that the church wants to cover its ass but not actually change any policy or doctrine.<br /><br />I suppose I am cynical but I'm inclined to find the latter more likely.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09634766750596400436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-57908024458027088612010-10-08T20:08:20.618-07:002010-10-08T20:08:20.618-07:00"There's really no sense in funding churc..."There's really no sense in funding church buildings and temples with members' hard earned and much needed cash when the church can afford to spend billions (that's right, with a b) on malls of all things."<br /><br />As an ex-Catholic, I can empathize. I've never understood why the Catholic church is always hitting up the laity for cash while it lavishes fine clothing and living quarters on the Magisterium.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-77429701564738968982010-10-08T16:47:01.158-07:002010-10-08T16:47:01.158-07:00It's a colossal mindfuck this whole "it&#...It's a colossal mindfuck this whole "it's scripture/word of god except when it's not" stuff.<br /><br />Carla: We don't worry, so much, about backlash as much as we worry about hurting family members who put SO MUCH STOCK into this. I don't think Eric's ready to tell his father about this step. I'm just done and figure they'll get over it. I love them and everything, but I feel so slimy staying in for anyone's benefit but my own. Gotta live with myself first.<br /><br />But you know, his family, not mine. His lifetime to my 10 years. It was his community before it was mine. That sort of thing. I don't want to push <i>too</i> much.<br /><br />CD: He's a shitty editor. You'd think he'd just tell the man what to say as he's saying it instead of letting him go off the cuff like that. Especially with his history.<br /><br />Maybe Packer is one of them "maverick" apostles and the church figures, hell. he can't even stand up these days, may as well wait it out.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10268689890561878413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-52122199571102415782010-10-08T14:00:44.367-07:002010-10-08T14:00:44.367-07:00The Holy Ghost has an editor, dontcha know.The Holy Ghost has an editor, dontcha know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-10426419598234310862010-10-08T13:31:56.073-07:002010-10-08T13:31:56.073-07:00I think it's hard for me to understand what it...I think it's hard for me to understand what it means in a mostly Mormon family to resign. My husband's parents are both converts to Mormonism and only them and his brothers are members, so resignation wasn't apparently a big deal to anybody.<br /><br />Obviously every single situation is different, so it might be a lot harder for some people to resign without significant family backlash. That really drives me crazy, that people would really choose to save face to a bunch of judgmental fellow members over supporting their loved ones and wanting to maintain a relationship with them.Carla Schmidt Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947846629735463824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5816147226417130386.post-11780903612512681772010-10-08T11:13:47.026-07:002010-10-08T11:13:47.026-07:00The inspired words of our living prophets are also...The inspired words of our living prophets are also accepted as scripture, or so says Mormon lesson manuals and standard works.<br /><br />“Whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost shall be scripture” ( D&C 68:4 ).<br /><br />If his words had to be changed, he clearly wasn't inspired by the Holy Ghost, and his words are not in any way, shape, or form, to be considered scripture. It's a clear case of him speaking as a man.<br /><br />And a clear failure by the leading apostle -- if he couldn't be in tune enough with God to speak by the spirit, why was he even speaking? And how come a man who supposedly lives in close contact with inspiration didn't notice the difference?Goldarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002035439360220264noreply@blogger.com